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Knightmare New Kid on the Block
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 75 Location: Cleveland,Ohio
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 2:39 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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Mack will always stick out in my mind as a great writer for DD. But he will not be remember in the sense that Bendis and Miller are. You mneiton Daredevil, those names among others come to midn, not Mack. You mneiton mack, Kabuki and DD will come to mind.
Don't get me wrong, I personally will consider him as influential on the seris. Had I been able to buy the book, i would have the entire MK run simply because of his ending to the Parts of a whole story. Kingpin with no eyes....not to mention a very interesting chacrter in ECho who became the first love interest of DD after Page's murder. The only real reason he will not be rememberd for DD as he should, is because he hasn't had a true run like Bendis and Miller have. _________________ The King of Hell's Kitchen
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Michael_Goodman Senior Member

Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 1744 Location: Clearwater, FL
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 2:39 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME HERE!!
I love Mack's run and will never forget it. I remember my first time reading his first run when I got the scene where the Kingpin was shot. That was awesome. There is no story that everyone in the world will like, but please don't say people won't remember Mack's DD work. I will never forget it.
That said, I love Ann Nocenti's work. Her polotics are similar to mine, so I can really identify with her stories.
Anyone remember J.M. DeMatteis' DD run? His last three issues were great! _________________
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TheKraken Addict

Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 8310 Location: Trapped in a world I never made.
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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I don't really care to get into any of this, but Echo always bothered me because she's the same idea as Typhoid Mary: love interest for Matt in the day, enemy for DD at night, and then he has the shocking discovery and has to do what he has to do. And you could even argue that both characters are just remakes of Elektra, tho' you'd have to work a little harder. _________________ --Dewey Bass
"Some supervillain is screwing with the continuity of our universe! Martian Manhunter would never beat Flash in a sack race!"
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RangerChic Veteran

Joined: 12 Aug 2003 Posts: 3629 Location: FL, USA
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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Dusty wrote: | Honestly, I have nothing against the guy, but important to daredevil, he was and is not. |
Wow, while you are surely entitled to your opinion, you will find it not completely shared on this board. Not only has Mack does some excellent things on DD, but he was one of the reasons that Bendis came on board on the title.
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RangerChic Veteran

Joined: 12 Aug 2003 Posts: 3629 Location: FL, USA
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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Michael_Goodman wrote: | YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME HERE!!
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Ditto on this Michael.
RC _________________
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Dusty Junior Member

Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 197
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 3:13 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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RangerChic wrote: | Dusty wrote: | Honestly, I have nothing against the guy, but important to daredevil, he was and is not. |
Wow, while you are surely entitled to your opinion, you will find it not completely shared on this board. Not only has Mack does some excellent things on DD, but he was one of the reasons that Bendis came on board on the title.
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Just imagine if I had been creatively clever, and said Mack is a Hack.
I am not speaking in quality terms at all, but the lack of DD work that he has done, will never put him in the same league as the creators that have contributed much, and while many here may love what he did, I think it's safe to say that Mack , in his short time on the book, didn't do anything in the same league as Batman:Year One or Kraven's Last Hunt or any other short title runs that will live forever as definitive stuff. _________________ "AAAIIEEE!!" --The Wasp (Avengers #500) |
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kubiak Senior Member

Joined: 12 Aug 2003 Posts: 1371 Location: Holly Springs, NC
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 3:26 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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The quality of Mack's work on DareDevil (whether it be the writing, art, or both) is what I'll always remember. His Kingpin story was top notch, and Echo has potential to be a classic character if anyone ever decides to pick up the ball and run wth it (so to speak).
So yeah, Mack is -without a doubt- one of the most important DD creators. Hopefully we haven't seen the last of him on the title. _________________ -Jim Clarke
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BudBaxter10 Veteran

Joined: 21 Aug 2003 Posts: 3145 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 3:43 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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I don't think Mack's storyline will weigh heavily on the future of DD, but I think the slower pace and style will pop up a few times, just cause it's kind of grown a small cult following and those are the kinds that seem to inspire people looking for something new to do with a character _________________
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wayner3e Veteran

Joined: 12 Aug 2003 Posts: 3353 Location: A Town Called Malice
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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Mack's run on DD was great... just not Miller and Bendis great. To say that Mack didn't leave an impression on the character is just giving him too little credit. Parts of a Hole was a brilliant arc, whether you care for Echo or not. It was amazingly well writen and a very nice story. Wake Up had some very gorgeous art, as did Echo (though I too didn't really care much for the pacing of the latter). Miller and Bendis not only contributed great stories, but they reinvented the character, making their contributions more significant than most.
As for the movie, I think Bendis is just too polite to weigh in his thoughts. _________________ "...you're so hip, you have trouble seeing your feet..." - Chynna Clugston-Major
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Diana Senior Member

Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 2071 Location: Germany
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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I loved Parts of a Hole, and the DD movie is what made me look into DD comics. That's what got me into comics. That's all I have to say.  _________________
And I know there will be mistakes that I will make,
but I know none are worse than chances I don't take. - Hoobastank |
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DougMac Enthusiast

Joined: 16 Oct 2003 Posts: 764 Location: In a vat of me retirement grease
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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Nocenti's stuff was top notch and she should have been included. However, there's no reason she couldn't have been added to all the others instead of replacing Mack.
Mack's arcs were also great, and for anyone who complains about the second Echo arc remember it was originally done as an Echo miniseries so don't go nuts about the lack of DD in that arc. On its own the story is very well done.
Another great reason for Mack's inclusion on the dvd is to see his process for creating his work. It provided a great contrast to the styles and work processes of the other profiles artists. _________________ Pain is a cleanser, pain is a cleanser.
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Ron T. Addict

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 7493 Location: trapped inside a 'free speech zone' in Boston
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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Dusty wrote: |
I think it's safe to say that Mack , in his short time on the book, didn't do anything in the same league as Batman:Year One or Kraven's Last Hunt or any other short title runs that will live forever as definitive stuff. |
It may be safe for you to say, but not for me.
I didn't really care for Batman Year One when it came out. Years later, I bought it and tried again. Still didn't like it. That is why I will not be seeing Batman Begins.
Year One did not hook me on the Batman mythos nor did it make me want to seek out other works by Miller. I have read a few of his works, but I didn't immediately rush out to find out who this guy is like I did with David Mack. As for Kraven's last hunt, I couldn't even tell you who wrote it or drew it-- that's how much impact that particular story had on me (which was none at all). Does that mean that Miller is a hack, or that whoever wrote or drew the Kraven story is not a good writer or artist? Nope. It just means that it wasn't for me.
Mack's work on Daredevil, however, with its beautiful non-traditional art stylings in Parts of a Hole, Wake Up, and the later Echo arc (I forget the title of it) were just beautiful.
Mack's work on Daredevil was my first exposure to him. I showed them to a non comic reading friend. She loved it and became a fan. She is now reading Kabuki.
I, too, went out and searched out Mack's past work, due to his amazing writing and art on Daredevil. don't get me wrong-- i LOVE Bendis and Maleev on the title, but after the Kevin Smith/Joe Q arc in the beginning, it was great to have a change in tone in regard to writing and art.
So, now I am a BIG fan of Mr. Mack. That, to me, says that his work is one of quality, and that his work will endure. If he can inspire me to look up his other works based on DD, then I am sure I am not the only one. _________________
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BenH Junior Member
Joined: 12 Aug 2003 Posts: 106
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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I think the point to be made here isn't even whether Mack's run was good, but whether that short a tenure on a book can have a lasting impact. Alan Moore wrote one of the best Superman stories ever, but that's also one of the only Superman stories he wrote. Do people look back now and consider him a part of the Superman legacy? I personally would say no, because he didn't have a large enough contribution, even though what he did contribute was excellent.
In conclusion, I think Bendis thinks the Daredevil movie was ass. |
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MACK! Enthusiast
Joined: 27 Sep 2003 Posts: 694
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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Just want to say thanks for all the kind regards about my DD runs.
I'm really glad so many of you got something from it.
I appreciate you mentioning it  |
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Dusty Junior Member

Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 197
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Posted: Aug 02, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Question - Daredevil Movie & Bendis |
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MACK! wrote: |
Just want to say thanks for all the kind regards about my DD runs.
I'm really glad so many of you got something from it.
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You are most welcome Mr. Mack. I hope to see some future Marvel work from you. _________________ "AAAIIEEE!!" --The Wasp (Avengers #500) |
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