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Re: Echo: A Native man's comments

Posted By: MACK!
Date: FRI, 10/24/03, 2:50 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Echo: A Native man's comments (Smokinghawk)

Hello again,
Thanks for posting the links to your art!
I checked out your art links and I really like your work!
It has a lot of life to it and I enjoy the different media you used. You have a very natural way of doing things that I try to have in my own approach.

I appreciate how you explained the process part of your post. The noun vs verb part. The object relation ship to the action of the object. I've always thought that people put too much emphasis on the noun and not enough on the verb.
For instance, I've always thought of myself as a verb. Not a noun. I'm not really about having or getting, but about being and doing.

As for art:
I do make some of it for sale. Most of the art I have for sale now is currently in an art gallery. And it looks like it will be a traveling art show. But I have some that I present for sale at conventions as well. Generally, black and white pages start at 100 and the painted interior pages start at 500 and can range up to1500 depending on the page. Anh Tran at Nohgirl@yahoo.com takes care of all the art sales for me. She already has most of it marked and people can mention a page they are interested in and she tells them if it is still available and what the price is.

I saw that you posted on the Bendis board as well! Thanks for the kind words and the support of my work there. I've been posting a little there lately as well. It is a fun board. Like this one! I think I have the smartest readers!

Best,
David

: David,

: What you wrote not only makes a lot of sense, but it
: shows that you thought things through a lot more
: carefully in advance than most authors would have.
: Most writers tend to me lazy about Indian subjects,
: and as a result we tend to see the same emblems drawn
: out again and again. One reason I've reacted so
: strongly to your work is that it's so evidently
: "outside" that limitation. It delights me
: that you've found such ideas of worth in so many other
: cultures that you spend the time examining them.

: I'm eagerly awaiting more art from Echo's vision; I'm
: sure it will be spectacular.

: Norval Morisseau isn't a guy a lot of people would know.
: My family on the Ojiway side are also Canadian (we are
: from the Niagra band of the southern Ontario Ojibway,
: and I am fish clan). I don't know much about him,
: except that he endured a terrible illness as a young
: man, and being drawn so near to death gave him a lot
: of his lifelong insights, including a series of
: dreams. That's actually a fairly common scenario among
: Elders, during their youth (Handsome Lake, Wovoka,
: Fools Crow, Arvol Looking Horse, Michael Haney). He's
: been criticized for "telling too much," but
: I disagree with those criticisms: we are a
: "process-oriented" people, meaning that
: objects have value in what they DO, not what they ARE.
: As such, a work of art is not a "piece," it
: is an action. It borrows a story and then passes it on
: again (like the "hollow bone tubes" Frank
: Fools Crow used to talk about).

: My grandmother used to refer to any object as "what
: I do this with!", meaning that an object is not
: an ornament or inanimate thing, but the container of
: an action. Indian moms instruct babies, "See the
: ball roll? Can you say 'roll'?" rather than
: "can you say ball?"

: So my reaction to any Ojibway artist (or heck, ANY
: artist) is that their pictures darned well BETTER
: reveal and tell.

: Jackson Pollock "got that." As you know, he
: mimicked Pueblo/Navajo sand painters in the action of
: his paintings. Too many people see Pollock's work as a
: finished piece: "that's ugly!" or
: "thats beautiful!" when the intent was,
: "How did he move and behave when he made
: it?"

: Now, I'm not NEARLY the visual artist you are. You
: possess talent far beyond anything I'll ever be able
: to touch, and I'm a little embarrassed to even point
: you to any of my stuff. I'm frustrated because I have
: so many thoughts, but such a narrow artistic aperture
: for them. That's why I'm so hopeful when I see work
: that combines those stories, images, words and objects
: in better ways than I could do.

: (see http://weirdkidcomic.com/images/comicarts.jpg for
: a humorous example of what I'm talking about;
: incidentally at this point I would regard you as
: having surpassed Sienkiewicz as my favorite.)

: A lot of my work is goofy humorous drawing (that's my
: page at http://weirdkidcomic.com/art.htm ; the poster
: of the mother and child is actually a painting of my
: wife and son, and take a look at the beadwork page
: too) but I also like to do "fine" art, like
: I was trained to do. I also play the traditinoal
: wooden flute and I sing.

: Oh, and did you consider the question about what your
: originals sell for, if available?

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