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Re: (To ALL) this board...

Posted By: MACK!
Date: SUN, 9/16/01, 4:05 a.m.

In Response To: Re: (To ALL) this board... (Magnus)

: I understand why you react like this, yet I don´t react
: the same way. First and foremost I want to state that
: I am deeply shocked and offended by the act, and I
: can´t even begin to describe my compassion for the
: inflicted. That said, I find it too easy to just
: recognize their hatred of our civilization, and then
: respond with equal hatred. Instead, I pity them.

Hi Magnus,

I don't have any hatred toward them.

My post didn't say that at all. It said that I like to treat everyone the way I would want to be treated. I like to treat people in a loving way, and usually if they are just being rude or ignorant, they come to terms with that themselves when I respond with kindness, and generosity. Most of the time this works.

But if they make it clear that they do not want to discuss anything, they simply want to kill me or the people I care about,then I am not going to let them do that. And I am not going to wait for them to act on it a second time. I am going to act decisively to eliminate that threat.

It has nothing to do with hatred on my part.
It has to do with the preservation of my life and those that I love.

If someone wants to hate me, or my family, or my country, or may way of life, they are welcome to. I'm not going to hate them back. But if they make it clear that they are going to physically threaten any of those things, then I am going to thoroughly eliminate that threat.

Up until that point, maybe there are some complicated issues that we can discuss. We can talk about things. I can consider what you feel are injustices, your tough childhood, or how your frustration made you angry.

But once it reaches the point that you have decided to kill me no matter what, that you have dedicated your life to kill me, that you will try to kill me as long as you live, and that you will even give your own life just to kill me too, then I am not going to let you do that.

: a waste of life. People spending their entire lives
: just to cause massdestruction on other. A hatred so
: huge has to have an origin. From what I´ve heard from
: fugitive friends, this action was based on a hatred
: which originated from differences between our world
: and their. The hatred of us not giving a crap about
: them. The hatred of our wealth, rather than our
: concept of capitalism. The hatred of our safety,
: rather than our freedom. Try to explain to a
: somali-farmer the reason why you have a computer, a
: car, an insurance or an education while all he has is
: 1 * legs to farm his few acres and just enough food to
: feed his children once a day. The unfairness grows and
: becomes despair, the despair grows and becomes hatred,
: the hatred grows and becomes terror.
: I´m not trying to justify the incident in any way. I´m
: not saying that we are the ones to blame in any way.
: I´m just trying to break down their pattern of
: thought.

Well, I don't think that you are going to break the pattern of thought of THIS group of people. Because their actions aren't driven by THINKING. This is not a philosophical, rational idealogy that they are relying on. They are driven by a mad sense of religious ferver, that tells them that our way of living is a blasphemy to thier god. Capitalism, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, separation of church and state... these are decadent things from thier perspective. If you can think of a way to change thier mind, be my guest.

And I don't think that they think that we "don't give a crap about them" because we have given them MILLIONS of dollars. I think it was 35 MILLION to the Taliban just last month to help them with the drug war. And we gave them a HUGE amount of weapons and money, and military training to help them defend themselves when the Soviet Union was trying to invade them. They took the money when we offered it. They took our help then. The CIA trained Ben Laden and his men to help them from being invaded by Communism.

So it is true, several of our policies in the past, have come back to bite us in the ass. And we should take proper measures to try to refine those kind of decisions. We should try to have better foreign policy. We should try to make sure our decisions do not make more people hate us. It seems that when we try to help one group, another group hates us. And when we help that group, then someone else decides to hate us. And it would be nice to be able to sort that out. But we also need to stop this immediate threat. At this stage, that is the priority. Now is not the time to whine about our past failures.

I also know that there is a huge difference
: to Somalia and Afganistan, yet their view on the West
: is very similiar.
: I personally don´t understand how the hatred can end up
: being so huge, but I do understand how they percieve
: the world as unfair and how the injustice turns into
: hatred.
: In the current situation the western world must strike
: down upon the perpetrators and upon terrorism as a
: whole. And it is possible to eliminate the current
: enemy by force. But we can´t eliminate the root of
: terrorism by force. To prevent anyone from ever hating
: our civilisation that much again, we must aim for a
: world where everyone has equal possibilities. The
: retaliation is important but the aftermath is equally
: important.

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