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jefferson l.o.b sergeant |
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![]() New Experiment Subject Group: Senior Members Posts: 328 Joined: 11-May 04 From: Brooklyn nyc Member No.: 3549 ![]() |
I know that Campbell and Liefeld frequent the boards. it would be great to hear their view of the rivalry now in retrospect. I'd really like to know if it's true that Campbell challenged Liefeld to a streetfight and rob backed out. ![]() |
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jefferson l.o.b sergeant |
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![]() New Experiment Subject Group: Senior Members Posts: 328 Joined: 11-May 04 From: Brooklyn nyc Member No.: 3549 ![]() |
SUPERMAN vs THE ELITE in action comics, was pretty much a statement about the viability of the premier icon in comics in the presence of harder and more realistic characters such as the AUTHORITY. I think it was a shot at both Ellis and Millars runs.
In a related point i've heard that Waid had a potential Ellis/Hitch produced JLA/AUTHORITY crossover run into the ground. Maybe that laid the groundwork for the aforementioned Action Comics storyline. |
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New Experiment Subject Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 17-March 04 Member No.: 2863 ![]() |
There are a lot of commentaries in Savage Dragon - The back-and-forth between PAD and Larsen was pretty interesting to watch. The two went back and forth on stories the others had done. In the pages of Hulk, I believe it was the issue where he's invited back to Vegas, he faces a ranting Doc Oc. Apparently in a Spider Man story, Larsen had the doc pummel the Hulk unconscious by holding him off the ground so that he couldn't get any purchase to get free, and then just swing away. PAD thought this was crap and so as the Doc rants about how he beat the hulk once, Hulk flicks the doc away with one finger, ending the fight. Another time in Dragon, Larsen had a black supporting cast member in danger of dying from AIDS and request a blood transfusion from Dragon in the hopes that the healing properties would cure him, or at least prevent him from dying. Dragon immediately says yes because "what kind of asshole would stand by and do nothing to help a dying friend?" (paraphrase) This was in direct response to an identical situation in the Hulk, where Hulk agonized about it and finally decided against it. Reasonable considering that's how we got She Hulk. But what Larsen really didn't like was that Hulk pretended to give the friend his blood for the transfusion, so the guy died thinking it didn't work rather than knowing that Hulk didn't want to risk creating another Hulk. A few others. Larsen took on the classic Spider Slayer story by having a hostile-to-Dragon newspaper editor named R. Richard Richards contract someone to build a giant robot which he could use to remote control kill Dragon. Like the original story, Richards voice and face announced the plan. Dragon defeats the robot, and Richards goes to jail, unlike the original where JJJ faced no repercussions. I see that one more as a commentary on whacky old-school comics than a particular dig at Stan Lee, though. Two more. There was a character in Dragon called Arachnid who had been abduction children and sucking them dry for years. It was a subtle dig on the state of the Spider-man comics at the time. He later showed up with a new haircut and glasses calling himself "Ultimate Arachnid" ![]() Oh, and the Nixed Men were a take on Byrne's Next Men. |
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Pete Mortensen |
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And let's not forget that Hitman killed Youngblood in the first issue of his ongoing series, then wasted Shadowhawk (Nightfist) not long after. Garth hates superheroes, and he really hated the early image ones.
-------------------- "Our sentence is up" - Jack Frost, "The Invisibles"
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J. Scott Campbell |
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New Experiment Subject Group: VIPs Posts: 7 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 3574 ![]() |
What?!? This is the first I've ever heard of that story. As much as I wish an urban legend like that were true, it's completely false. And as much as I'd hate to admit it, I'm pretty sure Rob would kick my sorry ass in a "streetfight". It's really hilarious seeing those old Gen 13 panels again. To be honest, I've never held any real animosity personally towards Rob. Our two studios did however share a, what I would call, playful rivalry. In particular, Dan Fraga and I were sort of pitted against each other for a while. We took a few shots at each other in our comics over the years. All of us at Wildstorm used to fax Dan when we busted him swiping somebody's art. Yeah, in Gen 13 #1 of the regular series, I put up a poster in the background of a club that read that "Fraga-Boom's" concert had been cancelled due to an "overwhelming lack of interest." That was a burn since Dan had indeed started a short side stint as a rapper. (I'm not kidding, that really happened.) In turn, I was killed in an issue of Dan's comic Black Flag, although far fewer saw that issue due to "overwhelming lack of interest." (sorry Dan it was too easy.) Later it was fun to spoof Extreme Studios hardships in Gen 13 #13, but I gotta say, I was also put up to it quite a bit from my studio mates. All in all, Dan Fraga is a good guy, and it was all just kidding around. I also drew my long time friend Joe Benitez, formerly of Top Cow, in Gen 13 #3. He was one of the pirates who asked Freefall if there was "Any Cheese" in the stew she made. This was in reference to the fact that all of us around the studio called Joe "The Cheese!", a name he is still not real fond of today. He even bleeds cheese blood in issue #5 when he gets it. Joe then got me back when he drew me as some kind of retarded character who talked to a puppet in the pages of his book "Weapon Zero". Also in the early days of Wildstorm, when Brandon Peterson joined the studio to work with Marc Silvestri, we mocked up a fake comic book cover called "Cyber-Mouth", a spoof of Marc's then comic "Cyber-Force", on account of we all thought that the guy couldn't stop talking. I believe there are still bootleg copies of that one being passed around at cons. Ah, fun times. J. Scott ![]() |
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Elvis Lee |
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Hey J. - that is some funny stuff...I'm sure all of us would like to see Cyber Mouth and where is Fraga these days and Benitez?
And what happened to your Girls and Monsters line??? |
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![]() New Experiment Subject Group: Senior Members Posts: 212 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Indianapolis, Indiana Member No.: 244 ![]() |
I loved that issue. Bendis poked fun at alot of his friends as well. There is a stab at Kabuki, a stab at Red Star, and a stab at The Nocturnals. All of which creators are friends of Bendis and Oeming. Also there is a little stab at Oni in general, with all the characters popping up and getting pissed when Deena from Powers asked where's Jay and Silent Bob (this was after Kevin Smith taking his View Askew books from Oni to Image) I know, Chris Gossett and Team Red Star had a "revenge" issue in the next year's Oni color special, mainly focusing on the rather infamous picture of Bendis from when he used to have hair (It's so fun to tease Bendis with that on his boards, I like to give him shit by posting images of young Bendis with hair that is posted on his brother's website) But, Bendis also likes to give little jabs on his letter column at Shi. I remember he liked to make jokey jabs at Drew Hayes (poison Elves) until David Mack started jokingly telling him that Drew Hayes was looking to hurt him. The whole thing is all in Bendis' collection of short stories and such (Total Sell Out) I recommend that. I mean, it's worth it for his humor stories and his short story written by Warren Ellis (Better Living through Chemistry). I love seeing the playful stabs at each other, like with the Image Studios remarks before things got ugly with the whole Liefeld thing or Joe Quesada's playful jabs that he's been doing since his Event Comics days. I love it because it can take the air out of the seriousness that some people try to put into the comic industry. ~Dave |
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MAliChoudhury-cactusmaac |
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Nah, Ross said he only got to read the Twilight proposal once Kingdom Come was finished and done. He came up with KC's plot and took it to James Robinson who was approached to be the writer and who then told Ross about Moore's draft. Ross has said KC was more a rip-off of Miracleman (and I suspect Squadron Supreme) than anything else. -------------------- Creators who complain about their books not getting the promotion they deserved are crybabies. If you want your book to sell, write something that can't be ignored.
Future generations will look back at early twenty-first century comics with the same awe and jealousy movie fans have looking back at American cinema of the 70s. -Brian K Vaughan |
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Christian U |
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I was always a bit troubled by the thought that the wimpy poet guy in the Cassady one-shot in Preacher looked a
like Gaiman.
If that was on purpose, it doesn't seem very nice. Ah well ![]() |
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Brenz |
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![]() New Experiment Subject Group: Senior Members Posts: 245 Joined: 30-March 04 From: New York Member No.: 3061 ![]() |
"I don't hate superheroes. I hate that they dominate the industry. It's a damn shame." --Garth -------------------- ![]() "Say, do you think if we propel Jerry Falwell and Osama bin Laden at each other in a vacuum at a very high speed, they might cancel each other out?" --Colleen Doran "Beware of being too rational. In the country of the insane, the integrated man doesn't become king. He gets lynched." --Aldous Huxley, Island Last good movie: The Station Agent Last good comic: Plastic Man #8 Super-Crazy Action Boy!!! Comic reviews daily (amusing jokes, less frequently) |
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Ben Scarlett |
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![]() New Experiment Subject Group: Senior Members Posts: 333 Joined: 4-June 04 From: United Kingdom Member No.: 3856 ![]() |
Yeah that was in the "Revenge Of The Sinister Six" story that ran from Spider-Man 18 (or around that, read the issue recently!) The funny thing is, Hulk flicks Electro away in the issue, but Doc Ock absolutely batters him to within an inch of his life with his new adamantium arms (or something alone those lines), they face off a few issues later with Hulk saying that Ock got a few sucker punches in to win their first fight. Ock just pulls out a huge gun and blows him away, making it 2-0 to Ock. I think it's a glass Sandman that eventually takes Ock down... -------------------- |
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Sheldon Allen |
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Speaking of Savage Dragon in Issue #2 with the ninja Turtles there's a Vanguard backup story in which he kills some of the Marvel U.'s top heroes. Damn! All of this Dragon talk is going to make me dig out those old early issues. Those things were classic. -------------------- “I’m the commander. See, I don’t have to explain why I say things. That’s the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don’t feel like I owe anybody an explanation.” -George W. Bush
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jefferson l.o.b sergeant |
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![]() New Experiment Subject Group: Senior Members Posts: 328 Joined: 11-May 04 From: Brooklyn nyc Member No.: 3549 ![]() |
I wonder if there was any subtle jabs between wolfman and claremont during the height of the TEEN TITANS
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jefferson l.o.b sergeant |
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![]() New Experiment Subject Group: Senior Members Posts: 328 Joined: 11-May 04 From: Brooklyn nyc Member No.: 3549 ![]() |
and X-MEN rivalry in the early to mid eighties.
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DavidMack |
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Honored Guest Group: VIPs Posts: 18 Joined: 4-June 04 Member No.: 3851 ![]() |
Hey friends,
That Oni special was a great one. I have the original art page that Oeming drew where Deena and Christian interview Kabuki and Oeming is sort of aping and poking at some quirks in one of my Kabuki art styles. It was a hilarious page. And I remember that Drew Hayes thing. It is in one of Bendis' books. Maybe TRUE CRIME CONFESSIONS. I think it was that told Brian that Drew would be a sport about it. I knew Drew and Brian didn't. And at the time, Drew's look was a long haired, bearded sort of burly motorcyle gang look to him. So Bendis had the idea of poking at him in the letters collumn and I encouraged it. And then Drew showed up at a con growling and ranting at Brian and Drew's physical demeanor really took Brian by surprise which I think he cronicles in his book. I also have the original art pages from Powers where the introduce a "Detective David Mack". And then Oeming proceeds to draw me for an entire story arc. And remember that Powers arc they had where Warren Ellis does a ride along? And here is something that I don't think is necasarily a poke, but it occured to me when I was having a dinner with Neil Gaiman and noticed that he has exactly the same distinct tooth as Spider Jerusulam. I only read the Transmet that I did art for and a couple early issues, so forgive me if this is common knowledge. But it made me think that Spider incorporated Gaiman's tooth, Alan Moore's bearded look when we first meet Spider in the first issue, and Grant Morrison's look when he is shaved bald. As an amalgam of the UK writer's in Ellis' stomping grounds. The entire thing occured to me when I was sitting next to Neil and noticed his tooth as we were eating sushi, so it could be nothing or it could be common knowledge that I am not hip to. But the tooth is exact, and made me think that Warren had to do it on purpose. |
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Do you know what happen to Joe Benitez? -------------------- ![]() |
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sam |
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He did write Medievil Spawn/Witchblade and The Darkness for Image. ________________________________________ EVIL DEAD: THE MUSICAL T-SHIRT, PROGRAM and BRUCE CAMPBELL HARDCOVER BOOK for sale on eBay. INSANE ZOMBIE ACTION! RARE KILL BILL/QUENTIN TARANTINO BOOKS for sale on eBay. |
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M Reynard |
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Hmmm...didn't Waid and Ross also later fight over who contributed morte to the story? And, at least in my opinion, there are some very suspiocious similarities between the TWILIGHT OF THE SUPERHEROES proposal and KINGDOM COME. Too many to be ignored, in fact. -------------------- "they don't want strangeness or unpredictability in their lies. They tire of it so quickly. Yet they never tire of tedium."
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Mr. Farrell |
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![]() Dustin Diamond's boy toy ![]() Group: Donators Posts: 1870 Joined: 16-November 03 From: Garden City, USA Member No.: 2065 ![]() |
I dunno, man... Ross is usually prety frank when discussing what he's riffing on, paying homage to or, honestly, stealing from. He has cited Squadron Supreme, Miracleman, and Superduperman from the original Mad comics as sources for KC. He's also outspoken about being a fan of Moore, so I really think it was parallel evolution.
-------------------- You are beautiful, no matter what they say.
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New Experiment Subject Group: Senior Members Posts: 87 Joined: 23-March 04 Member No.: 2938 ![]() |
David, I believe the look for Spider Jerusalem was actually taken from this guy, pretty much straight up, and I also believe it was Darick Robertson's idea (the guy was possibly a friend of his? Dunno...)
Spider Model: Andre I don't think that he originally had the glasses or tattoo. Nick |
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