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Cth Machine

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Posted: Feb 03, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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That's cool, and eases my mind.
Like I said, originally I didn't post this to stir up anything. I was surprised as you were with the progression he made.
It was only after I posted the images here and started reading it that I was a bit miffed.
Like others have said, everyone does this stuff when they're young.. I just hope he grows out of it. Especially if he charges people for it.
I did mention that he said it was inspired, for what it's worth.
I was surprised to see his inking samples as well. _________________
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Posted: Feb 03, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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B-Rose wrote: | MACK! wrote: | Cth wrote: | Goodman wrote: | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
Well, originally he wasn't a fan, he bashed Mack his first time on the board..
Anyways, everyone has done that.. what I question is if he's making money doing so.
It's bad enough that others are giving him credit for some of the layouts and he's not owning up to borrowing them.
It's the early Liefeld syndrome all over again. |
I voted in the "Other" category.
I have to say that he shows a lot of progression.
And this work is probably more sophisticated than any other 14 year old that I've seen, or can think of at the moment.
So I give him big props for that.
I can see your point about the conscious influence of the Echo story, etc. And I appreciate you mentioning it.
But I'm not bothered by that.
I'm sure we all go through a period of borrowing or learning from others in the extremely early stages of our developement.
And 14 is a great age to go through that, and do it as a learning excercise, and work it out of your system, in order to go beyond it.
There are lots of people who go through that a lot later in life and even try it as professionals.
So looking at it as a developmental stage, going through it at 14 is perfectly reasonable as a learning period from my POV.
And perhaps way ahead of the time frame that others go through it and get over it.
I'm glad he was able to get something from my work that got him excited about making his art.
He did make a mention that he was inspired by my books before he did it, so that is acknowledgment enough for me at this stage of the game.
I do remember the bashing thread you mentioned, but I'm not offended by that, and certainly won't hold it against him, and I wish him the best.
My work may not have been his thing at that time, but it sounds like he digs it now.
He's probably done a lot of growing since then.
Sometimes we all can say some things that we wish we didn't.
I know I said and did all kinds of crazy nonsense when I was 14, and I'd hate to continue to be judged on it.
And I think that was sort of all based on a misunderstanding, of the inside jokes and sayings we had on this board that he may have misunderstood as a dis at him.
So no harm done from my view.
I'd prefer to look at it all as a positive learning experience that he can use to grow from.
I give him props for being so dedicated to his work at such a young age.
I'm sure that continued dedication over years will show even more progression. |
i'm fifteen and i would love to send you my mini-comic to see what you think! please  |
You are welcome to send it!
all the info: email and reg mail is at davidmack.net.
And feel welcome to also check out davidmackguide.com for any extra info. |
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Joined: 21 Aug 2003 Posts: 3336 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Feb 03, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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wow, the kid did get better. Maybe he'll grow up and come up with his own stuff. He is only 14. _________________
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Cth Machine

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Posted: Feb 03, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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Yup. Like I said, I was impressed when I saw his new stuff. I just hope he gets out of the homage thing he's doing and moves to that next level.
He's like a mini-Noble  _________________
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Flonk Addict

Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 7985 Location: Knee deep in the great bacon fields of New Jersey
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Posted: Feb 03, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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Goodman wrote: | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
When I was a kid, I would re-draw (word for word) Garfield strips using my characters. God, I was so lame.
Was? _________________ -Kevin Lynch
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B-Rose Veteran

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Posted: Feb 03, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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Flonk wrote: | Goodman wrote: | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
When I was a kid, I would re-draw (word for word) Garfield strips using my characters. God, I was so lame.
Was? |
when i was 15, I made this super-cool mini-comic called insult to injury! It's free! i'm a pimp! exclamation mark! _________________
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Quote: | Sounds like it sucks. Who writes this crap? |
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Flonk Addict

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Posted: Feb 03, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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B-Rose wrote: | Flonk wrote: | Goodman wrote: | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
When I was a kid, I would re-draw (word for word) Garfield strips using my characters. God, I was so lame.
Was? |
when i was 15, I made this super-cool mini-comic called insult to injury! It's free! i'm a pimp! exclamation mark! |
It's good, too! _________________ -Kevin Lynch
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Posted: Feb 03, 2005 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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Cth wrote: | Yup. Like I said, I was impressed when I saw his new stuff. I just hope he gets out of the homage thing he's doing and moves to that next level.
He's like a mini-Noble  |
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Posted: Feb 03, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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Flonk wrote: | B-Rose wrote: | Flonk wrote: | Goodman wrote: | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
When I was a kid, I would re-draw (word for word) Garfield strips using my characters. God, I was so lame.
Was? |
when i was 15, I made this super-cool mini-comic called insult to injury! It's free! i'm a pimp! exclamation mark! |
It's good, too! |
thanks! _________________
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Quote: | Sounds like it sucks. Who writes this crap? |
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Posted: Feb 03, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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MACK! wrote: | Cth wrote: | Goodman wrote: | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
Well, originally he wasn't a fan, he bashed Mack his first time on the board..
Anyways, everyone has done that.. what I question is if he's making money doing so.
It's bad enough that others are giving him credit for some of the layouts and he's not owning up to borrowing them.
It's the early Liefeld syndrome all over again. |
I voted in the "Other" category.
I have to say that he shows a lot of progression.
And this work is probably more sophisticated than any other 14 year old that I've seen, or can think of at the moment.
So I give him big props for that.
I can see your point about the conscious influence of the Echo story, etc. And I appreciate you mentioning it.
But I'm not bothered by that.
I'm sure we all go through a period of borrowing or learning from others in the extremely early stages of our developement.
And 14 is a great age to go through that, and do it as a learning excercise, and work it out of your system, in order to go beyond it.
There are lots of people who go through that a lot later in life and even try it as professionals.
So looking at it as a developmental stage, going through it at 14 is perfectly reasonable as a learning period from my POV.
And perhaps way ahead of the time frame that others go through it and get over it.
I'm glad he was able to get something from my work that got him excited about making his art.
He did make a mention that he was inspired by my books before he did it, so that is acknowledgment enough for me at this stage of the game.
I do remember the bashing thread you mentioned, but I'm not offended by that, and certainly won't hold it against him, and I wish him the best.
My work may not have been his thing at that time, but it sounds like he digs it now.
He's probably done a lot of growing since then.
Sometimes we all can say some things that we wish we didn't.
I know I said and did all kinds of crazy nonsense when I was 14, and I'd hate to continue to be judged on it.
And I think that was sort of all based on a misunderstanding, of the inside jokes and sayings we had on this board that he may have misunderstood as a dis at him.
So no harm done from my view.
I'd prefer to look at it all as a positive learning experience that he can use to grow from.
I give him props for being so dedicated to his work at such a young age.
I'm sure that continued dedication over years will show even more progression. |
when i was 14, all i did was lock myself in the bathroom  _________________
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