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 Posted: Feb 02, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bit?? |
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It seems the kid has gotten somewhat better artistically.. but he's still up to his old tricks concept wise.. he should work on something new and not lift whole concepts from other creators..
Anyways, in case anyone was interested in checking it out, or knowing what he's been up to..
http://tolg.deviantart.com/
Familiar to anyone else?
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 6:29 am Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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I wish I had my original DD: Echo issues handy for comparison.. I also think there's some Kabuki in there too possibly, but it's been a while since I read the early issues.
I was all set to give the kid some credit for making some artistic changes, but to copy Mack's technique, possibly some layouts, is pretty lame.
Especially when it's titled something like Echo Game..
Sure, he says he was inspired to do so after reading Mack's stuff, but this is ridiculous. I just hope he's not selling it like he did his other stuff (the Vertigo, Tsunami lines he had going..)
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants.
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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| Goodman wrote: | | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
Well, originally he wasn't a fan, he bashed Mack his first time on the board..
Anyways, everyone has done that.. what I question is if he's making money doing so.
It's bad enough that others are giving him credit for some of the layouts and he's not owning up to borrowing them.
It's the early Liefeld syndrome all over again.
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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| Cth wrote: | | Goodman wrote: | | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
Well, originally he wasn't a fan, he bashed Mack his first time on the board..
Anyways, everyone has done that.. what I question is if he's making money doing so.
It's bad enough that others are giving him credit for some of the layouts and he's not owning up to borrowing them.
It's the early Liefeld syndrome all over again. |
He's 14. What 14 year old's will make money with comics (sorry moviemaker)? I'm 10 years his senior and haven't made a penny with comics.
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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eh. it is okay. i think he should try to make his more of his own concept, but at the same time i dont know him individually, so maybe it is legit.
but then againg, when i was twelve i tried to write a book.
it turned into a copy of THE CLIENT.
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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| Goodman wrote: | | Cth wrote: | | Goodman wrote: | | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
Well, originally he wasn't a fan, he bashed Mack his first time on the board..
Anyways, everyone has done that.. what I question is if he's making money doing so.
It's bad enough that others are giving him credit for some of the layouts and he's not owning up to borrowing them.
It's the early Liefeld syndrome all over again. |
He's 14. What 14 year old's will make money with comics (sorry moviemaker)? I'm 10 years his senior and haven't made a penny with comics. |
So, you're ok with a 14 year old copying your comics layout and characters and making money off of it?
If you're going to be in comics, part of it is protecting your copyright.
Even if he only made ten bucks selling it to his friends, it's still profiting by using someone's else work. If he doesn't learn now that this is wrong, he's likely going to be tempted to do it in the future if he somehow makes it into the comics field.
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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yeah? huh.
it does look like he's cribbing david macks style, but thats ok for a young guy. he's gotta learn somehow.
he's actually gotten kind of good. in a few years maybe he'll be good enough to "break into the bis." |
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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| Cth wrote: | | Goodman wrote: | | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
Well, originally he wasn't a fan, he bashed Mack his first time on the board..
Anyways, everyone has done that.. what I question is if he's making money doing so.
It's bad enough that others are giving him credit for some of the layouts and he's not owning up to borrowing them.
It's the early Liefeld syndrome all over again. |
I voted in the "Other" category.
I have to say that he shows a lot of progression.
And this work is probably more sophisticated than any other 14 year old that I've seen, or can think of at the moment.
So I give him big props for that.
I can see your point about the conscious influence of the Echo story, etc. And I appreciate you mentioning it.
But I'm not bothered by that.
I'm sure we all go through a period of borrowing or learning from others in the extremely early stages of our developement.
And 14 is a great age to go through that, and do it as a learning excercise, and work it out of your system, in order to go beyond it.
There are lots of people who go through that a lot later in life and even try it as professionals.
So looking at it as a developmental stage, going through it at 14 is perfectly reasonable as a learning period from my POV.
And perhaps way ahead of the time frame that others go through it and get over it.
I'm glad he was able to get something from my work that got him excited about making his art.
He did make a mention that he was inspired by my books before he did it, so that is acknowledgment enough for me at this stage of the game.
I do remember the bashing thread you mentioned, but I'm not offended by that, and certainly won't hold it against him, and I wish him the best.
My work may not have been his thing at that time, but it sounds like he digs it now.
He's probably done a lot of growing since then.
Sometimes we all can say some things that we wish we didn't.
I know I said and did all kinds of crazy nonsense when I was 14, and I'd hate to continue to be judged on it.
And I think that was sort of all based on a misunderstanding, of the inside jokes and sayings we had on this board that he may have misunderstood as a dis at him.
So no harm done from my view.
I'd prefer to look at it all as a positive learning experience that he can use to grow from.
I give him props for being so dedicated to his work at such a young age.
I'm sure that continued dedication over years will show even more progression. |
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| Posted: Feb 03, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: phoque_u2_azz sighting! 'borrowing' from David Mack a bi |
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| MACK! wrote: | | Cth wrote: | | Goodman wrote: | | he's 14 and a fan. When I was in middle school, I wrote a short story about mutants. |
Well, originally he wasn't a fan, he bashed Mack his first time on the board..
Anyways, everyone has done that.. what I question is if he's making money doing so.
It's bad enough that others are giving him credit for some of the layouts and he's not owning up to borrowing them.
It's the early Liefeld syndrome all over again. |
I voted in the "Other" category.
I have to say that he shows a lot of progression.
And this work is probably more sophisticated than any other 14 year old that I've seen, or can think of at the moment.
So I give him big props for that.
I can see your point about the conscious influence of the Echo story, etc. And I appreciate you mentioning it.
But I'm not bothered by that.
I'm sure we all go through a period of borrowing or learning from others in the extremely early stages of our developement.
And 14 is a great age to go through that, and do it as a learning excercise, and work it out of your system, in order to go beyond it.
There are lots of people who go through that a lot later in life and even try it as professionals.
So looking at it as a developmental stage, going through it at 14 is perfectly reasonable as a learning period from my POV.
And perhaps way ahead of the time frame that others go through it and get over it.
I'm glad he was able to get something from my work that got him excited about making his art.
He did make a mention that he was inspired by my books before he did it, so that is acknowledgment enough for me at this stage of the game.
I do remember the bashing thread you mentioned, but I'm not offended by that, and certainly won't hold it against him, and I wish him the best.
My work may not have been his thing at that time, but it sounds like he digs it now.
He's probably done a lot of growing since then.
Sometimes we all can say some things that we wish we didn't.
I know I said and did all kinds of crazy nonsense when I was 14, and I'd hate to continue to be judged on it.
And I think that was sort of all based on a misunderstanding, of the inside jokes and sayings we had on this board that he may have misunderstood as a dis at him.
So no harm done from my view.
I'd prefer to look at it all as a positive learning experience that he can use to grow from.
I give him props for being so dedicated to his work at such a young age.
I'm sure that continued dedication over years will show even more progression. |
i'm fifteen and i would love to send you my mini-comic to see what you think! please 
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